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	<title>Comments on: VIDEO: Dogan and Nadal Spar Over Race and a &quot;Color-Blind&quot; Society</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m truly embarrassed that this woman is my state representative.</description>
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		<title>By: Adisa Menewa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adisa Menewa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow ... .  And I thought the Democratic Presidential Prirmay debates were painful.  My heart goes out to the people of the 72nd House District of Missouri.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8230; .  And I thought the Democratic Presidential Prirmay debates were painful.  My heart goes out to the people of the 72nd House District of Missouri.</p>
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		<title>By: Nic Cruickshank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nic Cruickshank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m Canadian, and the child of interracial marriage.  I&#039;m also unapologetically conservative, like my father before me.  Shamed makes some real sense, in that their has been a necessary reconcilling in my own family on both sides with regards to race directly because of my parents and my siblings.  Ironically both sides of my family are from the same island in the West Indies but both sides distrusted the &quot;other&quot;.  Intermarriage is a solution of sorts, at least as something to be celebrated and encouraged.  Not everyone will follow suit, but it creates a middle of the road path that rejects either sides extremism, that anyone can walk down comfortably.   

While slavery is a large component of the modern black experience in the Americas Dogan has a very good point by suggesting we cannot be trapped by it.  There were millions more transported by the slave trade to the middle east than the Americas, and their treatment was far worse, men were castrated, and women had their newborn babies killed, because Arabs feared blacks as much as the Europeans did.  No one complains about the black experience at the hands of Arabs.  That may be because, contrary to the African slave experience in the Americas, the majority of African slaves in the mid east were not allowed to procreate or have families of their own.  I bring this up not to point fingers, but to suggest that the situation over here in the West can easily be overcome if we stop dwelling on one point.  The best way to show respect for the lives of the people who lost theirs in the struggle for freedom is to use ours wisely.  To build, and to expand positively.  Embracing the optimism of people like Shamed Dogan, and running with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m Canadian, and the child of interracial marriage.  I&#8217;m also unapologetically conservative, like my father before me.  Shamed makes some real sense, in that their has been a necessary reconcilling in my own family on both sides with regards to race directly because of my parents and my siblings.  Ironically both sides of my family are from the same island in the West Indies but both sides distrusted the &#8220;other&#8221;.  Intermarriage is a solution of sorts, at least as something to be celebrated and encouraged.  Not everyone will follow suit, but it creates a middle of the road path that rejects either sides extremism, that anyone can walk down comfortably.   </p>
<p>While slavery is a large component of the modern black experience in the Americas Dogan has a very good point by suggesting we cannot be trapped by it.  There were millions more transported by the slave trade to the middle east than the Americas, and their treatment was far worse, men were castrated, and women had their newborn babies killed, because Arabs feared blacks as much as the Europeans did.  No one complains about the black experience at the hands of Arabs.  That may be because, contrary to the African slave experience in the Americas, the majority of African slaves in the mid east were not allowed to procreate or have families of their own.  I bring this up not to point fingers, but to suggest that the situation over here in the West can easily be overcome if we stop dwelling on one point.  The best way to show respect for the lives of the people who lost theirs in the struggle for freedom is to use ours wisely.  To build, and to expand positively.  Embracing the optimism of people like Shamed Dogan, and running with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John K says a lot that makes sense.  However, his examples of killings were not balanced, i.e., &quot;whites kill blacks and blacks kill blacks...&quot;  Whites kill white and blacks kill whites too.  Currently, more blacks kill whites than whites kill blacks; but historically (that is the past) more whites killed blacks.  It is the reverse today.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In essence, this particular problem--the killings--is a spiritual problem addressed by Christianity, Islam, and Judaism among others.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;From a Christian and Judaism perspective, killing, violence is sin against God and man.  Human life is of equal value regardless of skin color.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John K says a lot that makes sense.  However, his examples of killings were not balanced, i.e., &#8220;whites kill blacks and blacks kill blacks&#8230;&#8221;  Whites kill white and blacks kill whites too.  Currently, more blacks kill whites than whites kill blacks; but historically (that is the past) more whites killed blacks.  It is the reverse today.</p>
<p>In essence, this particular problem&#8211;the killings&#8211;is a spiritual problem addressed by Christianity, Islam, and Judaism among others.</p>
<p>From a Christian and Judaism perspective, killing, violence is sin against God and man.  Human life is of equal value regardless of skin color.</p>
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		<title>By: John K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m in an interracial relationship- a white man with a black woman. I can tell you that both whites and blacks have problems with it. If you could see some of the looks that we get from black men and women as well as whites you might understand. My father is a racist. He was also an administrator in the public schools in the St. Louis area for many years. What kind of opportunities do think that he gave blacks? I don&#039;t speak to my father. He&#039;s part of a generation that put us where we are now- best left behind. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Interracial marriage is an individual solution for two people who love each other and want to spend their lives together and may want to start a family. The solution to racism is to eliminate hatred, ignorance and disparity between people of different skin colors. Hatred of others because of their perceived differences based solely on appearance (skin color, hair texture, etc.) (i.e.- my white Corvette is much faster than your black Corvette...), ignorance of not only history but the culture and the machinations of life in the US (economic issues, opportunity, etc.) and of course the disparity in economic power and opportunity between the races. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Long story short- whites kill blacks, blacks kill blacks and the younger generations lacking in historical perspective and therefore the knowledge and wisdom of experience of how we all got here to be begin with are left to pick up the pieces.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;To the black man doubting Maria&#039;s &quot;blackness&quot;- that seems to be a problem with blacks. Why do you doubt her &quot;blackness&quot;? She did in fact grow up in a mixed neighborhood in a predominantly black city (University City). That would be the district that she represents. How are you helping your community by being hateful to your own people? Oh, and how does this address racism by doubting a person&#039;s &quot;blackness&quot;? Personally I try to judge people by their actions regardless of their appearance or circumstances and I&#039;ll let the Good Lord make his final judgments in good time. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The kid is obviously naive and he meant well but if you watch the body language of the other people at the table as he speaks they all look so uncomfortable! Is that because they agreed with him?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Though I admit that Maria&#039;s response might have not been the most astute &quot;soundbite&quot;-ready response that you might expect from the political media machine that you&#039;re used to watching (most national and even higher-up locals have people writing their speeches and responses and carefully measure their words so as not to seem inarticulate or upset their constituency)- the rebuttal to his statement would have taken hours to fully explore. I also wonder if you watched the rest of the forum to be able to put that moment in context...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m in an interracial relationship- a white man with a black woman. I can tell you that both whites and blacks have problems with it. If you could see some of the looks that we get from black men and women as well as whites you might understand. My father is a racist. He was also an administrator in the public schools in the St. Louis area for many years. What kind of opportunities do think that he gave blacks? I don&#8217;t speak to my father. He&#8217;s part of a generation that put us where we are now- best left behind. </p>
<p>Interracial marriage is an individual solution for two people who love each other and want to spend their lives together and may want to start a family. The solution to racism is to eliminate hatred, ignorance and disparity between people of different skin colors. Hatred of others because of their perceived differences based solely on appearance (skin color, hair texture, etc.) (i.e.- my white Corvette is much faster than your black Corvette&#8230;), ignorance of not only history but the culture and the machinations of life in the US (economic issues, opportunity, etc.) and of course the disparity in economic power and opportunity between the races. </p>
<p>Long story short- whites kill blacks, blacks kill blacks and the younger generations lacking in historical perspective and therefore the knowledge and wisdom of experience of how we all got here to be begin with are left to pick up the pieces.</p>
<p>To the black man doubting Maria&#8217;s &#8220;blackness&#8221;- that seems to be a problem with blacks. Why do you doubt her &#8220;blackness&#8221;? She did in fact grow up in a mixed neighborhood in a predominantly black city (University City). That would be the district that she represents. How are you helping your community by being hateful to your own people? Oh, and how does this address racism by doubting a person&#8217;s &#8220;blackness&#8221;? Personally I try to judge people by their actions regardless of their appearance or circumstances and I&#8217;ll let the Good Lord make his final judgments in good time. </p>
<p>The kid is obviously naive and he meant well but if you watch the body language of the other people at the table as he speaks they all look so uncomfortable! Is that because they agreed with him?</p>
<p>Though I admit that Maria&#8217;s response might have not been the most astute &#8220;soundbite&#8221;-ready response that you might expect from the political media machine that you&#8217;re used to watching (most national and even higher-up locals have people writing their speeches and responses and carefully measure their words so as not to seem inarticulate or upset their constituency)- the rebuttal to his statement would have taken hours to fully explore. I also wonder if you watched the rest of the forum to be able to put that moment in context&#8230;</p>
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