Comments on: Homeless Are "Face of Downtown" Too http://www.pubdef.org/2007/12/08/homeless-are-face-of-downtown-too/ CHANGE THE GAME Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:39:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: alin http://www.pubdef.org/2007/12/08/homeless-are-face-of-downtown-too/comment-page-1/#comment-20462 alin Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:27:32 +0000 http://www.pubdef.net/?p=2394#comment-20462 <a href="http://www.uggbootshouse.com/" rel="nofollow"><em><strong>uggs outlet</strong></em></a> <a href="http://www.uggbootshouse.com/" rel="nofollow"><em><strong>uggs outlet store</strong></em></a> <a href="http://www.uggbootshouse.com/" rel="nofollow"><em><strong>ugg outlet</strong></em></a> uggs outlet
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]]> By: Dave http://www.pubdef.org/2007/12/08/homeless-are-face-of-downtown-too/comment-page-1/#comment-14262 Dave Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:08:00 +0000 http://www.pubdef.net/?p=2394#comment-14262 Your post is unnecessarily controversial. The city and private groups are doing much to help the homeless. Why does your piece not mention this?<br/><br/>Individuals from the age of 25-34 aren't necessarily hipsters. The more correct term is "young professionals." I think one would expect more hipsters in the loop and CWE than downtown.<br/><br/>It's clear you're prejudiced against downtown development and have a very narrow view of downtown life. Fortunately, you are still young and may gain necessary wisdom through more experience. <br/><br/>You use pathos to appeal to people's emotions yet your logos is faulty, hurting your ethos. Poor guy. Your post is unnecessarily controversial. The city and private groups are doing much to help the homeless. Why does your piece not mention this?

Individuals from the age of 25-34 aren’t necessarily hipsters. The more correct term is “young professionals.” I think one would expect more hipsters in the loop and CWE than downtown.

It’s clear you’re prejudiced against downtown development and have a very narrow view of downtown life. Fortunately, you are still young and may gain necessary wisdom through more experience.

You use pathos to appeal to people’s emotions yet your logos is faulty, hurting your ethos. Poor guy.

]]> By: Po Righteous Teacher http://www.pubdef.org/2007/12/08/homeless-are-face-of-downtown-too/comment-page-1/#comment-14251 Po Righteous Teacher Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:29:00 +0000 http://www.pubdef.net/?p=2394#comment-14251 Antonio, I appreciate this forum but I'm just curious: WHY IS IT THAT NO ONE DARES TO RESPOND TO ANY POSTS REGARDING THE 9/21/07 LEGISLATION? Antonio, I appreciate this forum but I’m just curious: WHY IS IT THAT NO ONE DARES TO RESPOND TO ANY POSTS REGARDING THE 9/21/07 LEGISLATION?

]]> By: Po Righteous Teacher http://www.pubdef.org/2007/12/08/homeless-are-face-of-downtown-too/comment-page-1/#comment-14249 Po Righteous Teacher Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:17:00 +0000 http://www.pubdef.net/?p=2394#comment-14249 Slay's plan for the homeless is crystal clear, LQQK HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HOMELESS! Slay’s plan for the homeless is crystal clear, LQQK HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HOMELESS!

]]> By: Digitizdat http://www.pubdef.org/2007/12/08/homeless-are-face-of-downtown-too/comment-page-1/#comment-14242 Digitizdat Sun, 09 Dec 2007 01:57:00 +0000 http://www.pubdef.net/?p=2394#comment-14242 I would expect Slay to condemn anyone who displaces homeless people for any reason other than to help them. I'm also willing to keep an open mind about the ACLU suit, but what is its status? Has it been tried yet? I wouldn't expect Slay to condemn the police department unless they were actually found guilty of that injustice.<br/><br/>And yes, I agree with you that $65,000 per job sounds like a ridiculous subsidy, but if Darlene Green says it's worth it, I trust her. I personally think she's proven to be a capable and trustworthy comptroller. I would expect Slay to condemn anyone who displaces homeless people for any reason other than to help them. I’m also willing to keep an open mind about the ACLU suit, but what is its status? Has it been tried yet? I wouldn’t expect Slay to condemn the police department unless they were actually found guilty of that injustice.

And yes, I agree with you that $65,000 per job sounds like a ridiculous subsidy, but if Darlene Green says it’s worth it, I trust her. I personally think she’s proven to be a capable and trustworthy comptroller.

]]> By: Antonio D. French http://www.pubdef.org/2007/12/08/homeless-are-face-of-downtown-too/comment-page-1/#comment-14241 Antonio D. French Sun, 09 Dec 2007 01:15:00 +0000 http://www.pubdef.net/?p=2394#comment-14241 Digitizdat, I don't recall reading about Francis Slay's condemnation of the police department's treatment of downtown's homeless.<br/><br/>I do, however, recall reading about Slay's condemning County cops dumping their homeless in downtown St. Louis (We're trying to get rid of our own, we don't need yours too!).<br/><br/>I don't think anyone is saying we don't want young, educated new residents. But the resources of a poor and middle-class city population shouldn't <b>disproportionately</b> be used to attract these people, who quite frankly have been shown to leave soon after getting married or having children.<br/><br/>Take the new Centene proposal for example:<br/><br/>Centene has promised 1,200 new jobs downtown in the next five years. In return, the city and state must fork over $78 million in tax incentives.<br/><br/><b><i>That's a $65,000 subsidy per job!</i></b> Digitizdat, I don’t recall reading about Francis Slay’s condemnation of the police department’s treatment of downtown’s homeless.

I do, however, recall reading about Slay’s condemning County cops dumping their homeless in downtown St. Louis (We’re trying to get rid of our own, we don’t need yours too!).

I don’t think anyone is saying we don’t want young, educated new residents. But the resources of a poor and middle-class city population shouldn’t disproportionately be used to attract these people, who quite frankly have been shown to leave soon after getting married or having children.

Take the new Centene proposal for example:

Centene has promised 1,200 new jobs downtown in the next five years. In return, the city and state must fork over $78 million in tax incentives.

That’s a $65,000 subsidy per job!

]]> By: Digitizdat http://www.pubdef.org/2007/12/08/homeless-are-face-of-downtown-too/comment-page-1/#comment-14240 Digitizdat Sat, 08 Dec 2007 23:45:00 +0000 http://www.pubdef.net/?p=2394#comment-14240 Star Jones, maybe you should learn a little more about Mayor Slay's agenda before condemning him. He has always made the homeless population of the city a priority.<br/><br/>Please review this plan documenting the 10-year joint initiative between the city and the county to end chronic homelessness:<br/><br/>http://stlouis.missouri.org/citygov/mayor/Homeless10yearPlan.pdf<br/><br/>Of course the mayor wants the city to be devoid of the poor and homeless, but certainly not by removing them. Why would a city's mayor want to decrease its population? The best thing to do is to help those people in difficult situations to get out of them, and prosper. Preferably while staying in the city, so that the city also prospers.<br/><br/>"Blackless??" I think you're overreacting... to put it mildly.<br/><br/>It's a good thing to have an influx of educated, employed people moving into downtown. Why would anyone criticize that? What is your agenda for downtown? Star Jones, maybe you should learn a little more about Mayor Slay’s agenda before condemning him. He has always made the homeless population of the city a priority.

Please review this plan documenting the 10-year joint initiative between the city and the county to end chronic homelessness:

http://stlouis.missouri.org/citygov/mayor/Homeless10yearPlan.pdf

Of course the mayor wants the city to be devoid of the poor and homeless, but certainly not by removing them. Why would a city’s mayor want to decrease its population? The best thing to do is to help those people in difficult situations to get out of them, and prosper. Preferably while staying in the city, so that the city also prospers.

“Blackless??” I think you’re overreacting… to put it mildly.

It’s a good thing to have an influx of educated, employed people moving into downtown. Why would anyone criticize that? What is your agenda for downtown?

]]> By: Adam http://www.pubdef.org/2007/12/08/homeless-are-face-of-downtown-too/comment-page-1/#comment-14239 Adam Sat, 08 Dec 2007 23:18:00 +0000 http://www.pubdef.net/?p=2394#comment-14239 Interestingly, I did a survey at the Crowne Plaza and found that 84% of all St. Louisians are people who are staying in hotels. Interestingly, I did a survey at the Crowne Plaza and found that 84% of all St. Louisians are people who are staying in hotels.

]]> By: Ott http://www.pubdef.org/2007/12/08/homeless-are-face-of-downtown-too/comment-page-1/#comment-14238 Ott Sat, 08 Dec 2007 21:14:00 +0000 http://www.pubdef.net/?p=2394#comment-14238 Here's a question: What responsibilities do the downtown homeless have to the City and its residents? Are the downtown homeless living up to these responsibilities? Here’s a question: What responsibilities do the downtown homeless have to the City and its residents? Are the downtown homeless living up to these responsibilities?

]]> By: Matthew http://www.pubdef.org/2007/12/08/homeless-are-face-of-downtown-too/comment-page-1/#comment-14237 Matthew Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:35:00 +0000 http://www.pubdef.net/?p=2394#comment-14237 Someone is going to have to say it, but - it is the responsibility of those of us with the most advantages to ensure justice for the disadvantaged. That includes the young and wealthy population downtown, and it includes young people like myself. I would like to absolutely second what has been suggested previously about rolling up our sleeves. Working at a soup kitchen is still one of my favorite memories growing up, and it's about time I relive those memories Someone is going to have to say it, but – it is the responsibility of those of us with the most advantages to ensure justice for the disadvantaged. That includes the young and wealthy population downtown, and it includes young people like myself. I would like to absolutely second what has been suggested previously about rolling up our sleeves. Working at a soup kitchen is still one of my favorite memories growing up, and it’s about time I relive those memories

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