Comments on: OBS: “All We Want Is Justice” http://www.pubdef.org/2008/02/07/obs-all-we-want-is-justice/ CHANGE THE GAME Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:45:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Todd Ritchie http://www.pubdef.org/2008/02/07/obs-all-we-want-is-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-15663 Todd Ritchie Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:38:10 +0000 http://www.pubdef.net/?p=2592#comment-15663 A history student Says: February 9th, 2008 at 6:59 am “Everyday there are news stories of stupid white folks killing large numbers of people for nothing. They actually get reward for killing people.” Everyday? Where? And who gets a reward? Most of the murders I read about are poor blacks killed by blacks. And look what goes on in Kenya, Rwanda, Sierre Leone, and Liberia. Not one white person is killing others; it’s mass murder of blacks by blacks. We have refugees here in St. Louis who suffered terrible traumas because of the black on black violence. “You love Timothy McVeigh…” Who loves McVeigh? Everyone was outraged by what he did. “People still get lynched in Missouri in Springfield…the capital.” Name those who have been lynched and who did the lynching. “However, most of you white racist brutes think …” It appears to me the only racist brute on this post was up at 2:18 a.m. fuming with hate against people who have done nothing to harm him/her or his/her people. I’m sure glad some of my best friends who happen to be both African and African American are more rational and see all of mankind as flawed, but are willing to be friends of people of different races. If anonymous 2:18 a.m. wants an appropriate target for hatred, look to the Sudanese Arab/Muslims and what they are doing to his/her people. By the way, Anonymous 2:18 a.m., which tribe do you claim? Hutu or Tutsi? Kikuyu or Luo? I can name at least a dozen websites that have 'trading cards' for serial killers such as John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy and lo and behold, TIMOTHY McVEIGH! Face it, you brewed it, now chew it!! A history student Says:
February 9th, 2008 at 6:59 am
“Everyday there are news stories of stupid white folks killing large numbers of people for nothing. They actually get reward for killing people.”

Everyday? Where? And who gets a reward? Most of the murders I read about are poor blacks killed by blacks. And look what goes on in Kenya, Rwanda, Sierre Leone, and Liberia. Not one white person is killing others; it’s mass murder of blacks by blacks. We have refugees here in St. Louis who suffered terrible traumas because of the black on black violence.

“You love Timothy McVeigh…” Who loves McVeigh? Everyone was outraged by what he did.

“People still get lynched in Missouri in Springfield…the capital.” Name those who have been lynched and who did the lynching.

“However, most of you white racist brutes think …” It appears to me the only racist brute on this post was up at 2:18 a.m. fuming with hate against people who have done nothing to harm him/her or his/her people.

I’m sure glad some of my best friends who happen to be both African and African American are more rational and see all of mankind as flawed, but are willing to be friends of people of different races.

If anonymous 2:18 a.m. wants an appropriate target for hatred, look to the Sudanese Arab/Muslims and what they are doing to his/her people.

By the way, Anonymous 2:18 a.m., which tribe do you claim? Hutu or Tutsi? Kikuyu or Luo?

I can name at least a dozen websites that have ‘trading cards’ for serial killers such as John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy and lo and behold, TIMOTHY McVEIGH!
Face it, you brewed it, now chew it!!

]]> By: Todd Ritchie http://www.pubdef.org/2008/02/07/obs-all-we-want-is-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-15662 Todd Ritchie Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:06:03 +0000 http://www.pubdef.net/?p=2592#comment-15662 You people are laughable. The white culture invented the mass murderer! If white males even get a whiff of what governments have been dishing out to minorities for centuries, they are the first to get a gun, go to a shopping mall or some other public place and shoot people indiscriminately. The victims in these cases are truly innocent. The victims in this case were targeted by the gunman as being the source of his frustration. I am a white male and frankly, I'm ashamed of what my culture has done. You people are laughable.
The white culture invented the mass murderer!
If white males even get a whiff of what governments have been dishing out to minorities for centuries, they are the first to get a gun, go to a shopping mall or some other public place and shoot people indiscriminately. The victims in these cases are truly innocent.
The victims in this case were targeted by the gunman as being the source of his frustration.
I am a white male and frankly, I’m ashamed of what my culture has done.

]]> By: Po Righteous Teacher http://www.pubdef.org/2008/02/07/obs-all-we-want-is-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-15660 Po Righteous Teacher Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:18:45 +0000 http://www.pubdef.net/?p=2592#comment-15660 I wish his nickname wasn't "Cookie". It kinda makes the entire story seem even stranger than it is. I wish his nickname wasn’t “Cookie”. It kinda makes the entire story seem even stranger than it is.

]]> By: Po Righteous Teacher http://www.pubdef.org/2008/02/07/obs-all-we-want-is-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-15659 Po Righteous Teacher Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:14:28 +0000 http://www.pubdef.net/?p=2592#comment-15659 everyone keeps focusing on the fact that he killed so many people it should be obvious that there were many factors that led to this due to the fact that his own death was iminent there are people who will have voids in their lives due to his demise also, but all we here is about the other victims I want to know if there was any action just before this occured, a phone call, a notice, a letter? Will we ever know? everyone keeps focusing on the fact that he killed so many people

it should be obvious that there were many factors that led to this due to the fact that his own death was iminent

there are people who will have voids in their lives due to his demise also, but all we here is about the other victims

I want to know if there was any action just before this occured, a phone call, a notice, a letter? Will we ever know?

]]> By: Observer http://www.pubdef.org/2008/02/07/obs-all-we-want-is-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-15642 Observer Wed, 13 Feb 2008 02:30:09 +0000 http://www.pubdef.net/?p=2592#comment-15642 Linda says: if this had happened in a poor community, or a black community, would these reporters be televising ............ Linda there were 200 odd murders in St Louis City last year, the great majority black on black. I can't recall one that warranted more then 5 minutes of coverage. Of course it would not be covered to the extent this is. The fact is there was an undercurrent of racism that lead Cookie to his actions and causing his own death and one presumes damnation. Linda says: if this had happened in a poor community, or a black community, would these reporters be televising …………

Linda there were 200 odd murders in St Louis City last year, the great majority black on black. I can’t recall one that warranted more then 5 minutes of coverage. Of course it would not be covered to the extent this is.

The fact is there was an undercurrent of racism that lead Cookie to his actions and causing his own death and one presumes damnation.

]]> By: Linda http://www.pubdef.org/2008/02/07/obs-all-we-want-is-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-15631 Linda Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:19:27 +0000 http://www.pubdef.net/?p=2592#comment-15631 I've been following the story, mostly via KSDK news channel 5. What I wonder is, if this had happened in a poor community, or a black community, would these reporters be televising live from the city hall in those communities? Would the story have received as much media attention? I’ve been following the story, mostly via KSDK news channel 5. What I wonder is, if this had happened in a poor community, or a black community, would these reporters be televising live from the city hall in those communities? Would the story have received as much media attention?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.pubdef.org/2008/02/07/obs-all-we-want-is-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-15601 Anonymous Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:44:00 +0000 http://www.pubdef.net/?p=2592#comment-15601 Oppression is not an excuse for choosing to kill others. NEVER.<br/>So, "Cookie" Thornton felt put up upon by the city of Kirkwood? It did not give him ANY right to kill those five people. <br/>Maybe had he spent some money and gotten a real lawyer, the judge's ruling to his law suit might have been different. <br/>To the OBS: encouraging blacks to kill, by saying all you want is justice (thus equating what "Cookie" Thornton did with justice) is not seeking or promoting justice. <br/>If anything it sets justice and race relations back by several decades. <br/>When people say "Cookie" Thornton is a hero they are doing a huge disservice to their community. Already far too many people think the black community glamorizes and idealizes law breaking via rap and the "hip hop" culture. Elevating "Cookie" Thornton to hero and victim status will do nothing to counter that stereotype. <br/>I feel for his wife and family but not for him. They will have to live for the rest of their lives knowing he was a murderer. Oppression is not an excuse for choosing to kill others. NEVER.
So, “Cookie” Thornton felt put up upon by the city of Kirkwood? It did not give him ANY right to kill those five people.
Maybe had he spent some money and gotten a real lawyer, the judge’s ruling to his law suit might have been different.
To the OBS: encouraging blacks to kill, by saying all you want is justice (thus equating what “Cookie” Thornton did with justice) is not seeking or promoting justice.
If anything it sets justice and race relations back by several decades.
When people say “Cookie” Thornton is a hero they are doing a huge disservice to their community. Already far too many people think the black community glamorizes and idealizes law breaking via rap and the “hip hop” culture. Elevating “Cookie” Thornton to hero and victim status will do nothing to counter that stereotype.
I feel for his wife and family but not for him. They will have to live for the rest of their lives knowing he was a murderer.

]]> By: Po Righteous Teacher http://www.pubdef.org/2008/02/07/obs-all-we-want-is-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-15595 Po Righteous Teacher Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:00:00 +0000 http://www.pubdef.net/?p=2592#comment-15595 Anonymous @ 2/09/2008 2:10 PM<br/><br/>dissertation, not distortion<br/><br/>and for the record, I am not a school teacher Anonymous @ 2/09/2008 2:10 PM

dissertation, not distortion

and for the record, I am not a school teacher

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.pubdef.org/2008/02/07/obs-all-we-want-is-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-15590 Anonymous Sun, 10 Feb 2008 04:15:00 +0000 http://www.pubdef.net/?p=2592#comment-15590 Anonymous 2/09/2008 2:18 AM, you are hereby reconized as the moron of the month.<br/><br/>Sherman, is that you? Anonymous 2/09/2008 2:18 AM, you are hereby reconized as the moron of the month.

Sherman, is that you?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.pubdef.org/2008/02/07/obs-all-we-want-is-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-15589 Anonymous Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:08:00 +0000 http://www.pubdef.net/?p=2592#comment-15589 anon @ 2:18 am<br/><br/>many whites were also lynched.<br/><br/>it is sad but it was a histotically accepted form of punishment for criminal behavior.<br/><br/>I'm not saying that unwarrented lynchings did not exist, but they were very rare. anon @ 2:18 am

many whites were also lynched.

it is sad but it was a histotically accepted form of punishment for criminal behavior.

I’m not saying that unwarrented lynchings did not exist, but they were very rare.

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